Yes, I suppose he was and yes you are right when you get down to the bare bones of it all ..what do you think about Crowley? He is a really interesting character, narcissism much? These guys also have a lot of I dunno..like charm or something. Like some serial killers do. Good at pulling the wool over your eyes. Richard Kuklinski is one that stands out, when you see him interviewed he is quite likeable even. I can see why some people would fall for it, maybe like Charlie and the girls, but I guess you must have to be easy pursuadable. Or just full of drugs ? I'm interested in your thoughts of Crowley and the order as you always have something interesting and eloquent to say