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1988. Justice is dope. Is "the crack with" British slang implying that something sucks?

I just went through my Metallica albums over the last couple of days. MoP and AJFA didn't hold up well at all. Lots of unimaginative and sterile open string "riffs" and poppy choruses that were certainly the precursor to the groove metal scourge of the 90's. They still had some fun moments, but I'm not sure if I'll be keeping them or not.

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1 hour ago, BlutAusNerd said:

I just went through my Metallica albums over the last couple of days. MoP and AJFA didn't hold up well at all. Lots of unimaginative and sterile open string "riffs" and poppy choruses that were certainly the precursor to the groove metal scourge of the 90's. They still had some fun moments, but I'm not sure if I'll be keeping them or not.

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I have felt that way about Master Of Puppets in the past, but I've come back around to it. Justice has never put me off like that, except for "One", which I usually skip. I don't hear pop simplicity and cheap hooks, I hear accomplished and original songwriting with memorable themes. They weren't trying to outdo anyone in terms of aggression or technicality. Maybe you're just burned out on them? That's definitely happened to me plenty of times.

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1 hour ago, BlutAusNerd said: I just went through my Metallica albums over the last couple of days. MoP and AJFA didn't hold up well at all. Lots of unimaginative and sterile open string "riffs" and poppy choruses that were certainly the precursor to the groove metal scourge of the 90's. They still had some fun moments, but I'm not sure if I'll be keeping them or not.

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I have felt that way about Master Of Puppets in the past, but I've come back around to it. Justice has never put me off like that, except for "One", which I usually skip. I don't hear pop simplicity and cheap hooks, I hear accomplished and original songwriting with memorable themes. They weren't trying to outdo anyone in terms of aggression or technicality. Maybe you're just burned out on them? That's definitely happened to me plenty of times.

I'm sure that being burned out on them doesn't help, but those two sounded really hollow compared to Ride the Lightning on my last play through. Lots of the songs are just dull, The Thing That Should Not Be, Sanitarium, Eye of the Beholder, Harvester of Sorrow, they just drag and don't add much to the proceedings. I also finally noticed just how much Lars' shortcomings impact the songs. I was always more focused on the guitars, but with the guitars boring me a bit more than usual, my attention wandered and I was irritated by how lame the drumming was. The vocals grated on me more than usual too, but my focus usually being on the guitars made them stick out more to me than the other elements. Lots of dull riffs.

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10 hours ago, BlutAusNerd said:

I'm sure that being burned out on them doesn't help, but those two sounded really hollow compared to Ride the Lightning on my last play through. Lots of the songs are just dull, The Thing That Should Not Be, Sanitarium, Eye of the Beholder, Harvester of Sorrow, they just drag and don't add much to the proceedings. I also finally noticed just how much Lars' shortcomings impact the songs. I was always more focused on the guitars, but with the guitars boring me a bit more than usual, my attention wandered and I was irritated by how lame the drumming was. The vocals grated on me more than usual too, but my focus usually being on the guitars made them stick out more to me than the other elements. Lots of dull riffs.

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Sounds like burnout to me. Funny though, after years of slagging Lars, it finally hit me why people like him. He's "musical". Maybe it's because he didn't really know what he was doing, but he's basically playing guitar parts on the drums. He never does anything independent. It makes his drum parts easy to understand. 

I've always thought that was a big part of their appeal - they had a knack for writing songs that were easy to digest, even if they happened to be seven minute riff-fests.

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10 hours ago, BlutAusNerd said: I'm sure that being burned out on them doesn't help, but those two sounded really hollow compared to Ride the Lightning on my last play through. Lots of the songs are just dull, The Thing That Should Not Be, Sanitarium, Eye of the Beholder, Harvester of Sorrow, they just drag and don't add much to the proceedings. I also finally noticed just how much Lars' shortcomings impact the songs. I was always more focused on the guitars, but with the guitars boring me a bit more than usual, my attention wandered and I was irritated by how lame the drumming was. The vocals grated on me more than usual too, but my focus usually being on the guitars made them stick out more to me than the other elements. Lots of dull riffs.

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Sounds like burnout to me. Funny though, after years of slagging Lars, it finally hit me why people like him. He's "musical". Maybe it's because he didn't really know what he was doing, but he's basically playing guitar parts on the drums. He never does anything independent. It makes his drum parts easy to understand. 

I've always thought that was a big part of their appeal - they had a knack for writing songs that were easy to digest, even if they happened to be seven minute riff-fests.

That is a good way to put it. It feels a lot like he's trying to have a voice like a guitar player, but does so in really lame ways, like he didn't know what to do to make it happen. I'm all about drums having a voice, but they follow way too closely. It could also be that I've been listening to a lot of thrash lately, and and these albums just sound really easy and safe. That wouldn't be a bad thing if they were more fun, but I couldn't wait for some of these songs to end with their plodding guitars.

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That is a good way to put it. It feels a lot like he's trying to have a voice like a guitar player, but does so in really lame ways, like he didn't know what to do to make it happen. I'm all about drums having a voice, but they follow way too closely. It could also be that I've been listening to a lot of thrash lately, and and these albums just sound really easy and safe. That wouldn't be a bad thing if they were more fun, but I couldn't wait for some of these songs to end with their plodding guitars.

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A lot of stuff from that time period is way faster, so it's easy to see how those albums could feel comparatively lackluster. Maybe next time you should listen to a bunch of doom first. :D

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Went to a local doom/sludge show last night, was up waaay too late. The sound guy at this venue seemed intent on fucking the vocalists, I could barely hear most of them. One of my friends has a new band that was playing their first show, and their vocalist has an awesome voice, so seeing him forced to struggle through a bad PA situation was extra annoying. Also I finally got to meet another (old) forum member, young Mr. Orcslayer23. Currently, I'm tired and cranky.

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Went to a local doom/sludge show last night, was up waaay too late. The sound guy at this venue seemed intent on fucking the vocalists, I could barely hear most of them. One of my friends has a new band that was playing their first show, and their vocalist has an awesome voice, so seeing him forced to struggle through a bad PA situation was extra annoying. Also I finally got to meet another (old) forum member, young Mr. Orcslayer23. Currently, I'm tired and cranky.

Good sound guys ought to be considered cultural treasures and showered with praise and gifts. Maybe we could get a national registry set up for the sucky ones and force them to wear scarlet S on their foreheads.

I but dimly remember there was a Orcslayer23. 

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33 minutes ago, GorboGorboze said:

Good sound guys ought to be considered cultural treasures and showered with praise and gifts. Maybe we could get a national registry set up for the sucky ones and force them to wear scarlet S on their foreheads.

I but dimly remember there was a Orcslayer23. 

Good thinking. Those heretofore unexpressed authoritarian impulses of yours may serve you well under the coming regime.

Orcslayer hasn't been around the forum for quite a while. I'd see him on Facebook from time to time.

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22 minutes ago, MacabreEternal said:

Not big on AOTY lists here I know but I just read Decibel's Top 40 of 2016.

 

Abbath is at number five????

 

Also no mention of Ulcerate and they put Inquisition at number 32??

 

Decibel.  Where all staff are deaf apparently.

How do they pick, throwing darts at a bulletin board? That Abbath album was totally lame. I wonder if advertising money is much of a factor.

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12 minutes ago, MacabreEternal said:

I am surprised they put the list out before the new Metallica album dropped for that very reason.

Heheh, maybe it's a tradeoff between revenue and credibility? In any case, I've never been big on year end lists, especially from bigger publications, but this year has seen some undeniably great albums released. It deserves a retrospective.

BTW I could not give less of a fuck about the Metallica album. I had actually forgotten about it until you mentioned it. I don't get the loyalty they seem to inspire from some people.

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Heheh, maybe it's a tradeoff between revenue and credibility? In any case, I've never been big on year end lists, especially from bigger publications, but this year has seen some undeniably great albums released. It deserves a retrospective.

BTW I could not give less of a fuck about the Metallica album. I had actually forgotten about it until you mentioned it. I don't get the loyalty they seem to inspire from some people.

I saw a few "best thing they have done in 25 years!" comments on Instagram amongst the die hard vinyl boys and girls on there.  I was like "yeah, in other news......WORLD BURNING!"

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